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Blast Off on another epic episode of the

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hyper anomalous esoteric research

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organization podcast also known as hero

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paranormal broadcasting from the base

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camp at space Wolf research just south

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of the old Sherman Ranch in the uena

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my name is Ryan the anomalous ambassador

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of the airwaves bringing you an

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unbelievable episode

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today man we are going to get into it it

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gets Wild

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on August 17

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Scotland something strange happened

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one witness Gary Wood said in his

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I've never seen anything like it before

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but I knew it was a UFO

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it was floating 20 feet above the road

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as we were going underneath

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a shimmering curtain fell and we went

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into total blackness

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this long arm extended over my chest it

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along these same lines Dr John Mack the

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in the end

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enabling us to see that we are connected

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beyond the Earth at a cosmic level

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man on today's episode of hero we have

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returning guest Malcolm Robinson Malcolm

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is one of my favorite guests for a

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variety of reasons

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he is one of the most respected

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variety of fronts in his search for

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understanding he has starred in a

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variety of films including space force

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UFO Europe the untold stories

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strange but true and spiral paranormal

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quest to understand the nature of human

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the deckmont woods UFO incident UFO Case

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Files of Scotland volumes one and two

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the monsters of Loch Ness and more

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society called SPI or strange phenomena

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investigations

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about everywhere including many of the

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world's UFO and paranormal magazines

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hi there Ryan it's a pleasure to be with

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show and thanks for the wonderful

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case that they don't compare it to other

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cases but you have a laundry list of

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other cases you've researched other

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this case so the listeners have an

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understanding and idea what the a70 UFO

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or or great knowledge of the subject it

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1992. now the story here goes that both

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next speech to the destination and they

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them you know see heaven and husband

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dreams of these small gray creatures

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as well three and a half to four feet

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coming into the dream world and then

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shower you know we go in the bath and

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we're aware of our bodies and we went

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wow wow wow wow where did this come from

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this one this is new this is French

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airports they go to the doctor what do

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you do so as first of course the action

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was to go to your local library and they

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went to the Paranormal you had four

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section and he picked out a book by a

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British authoress by the name of Jenny

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Randall's a prolific author very very

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good author and my address was in there

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in the back of the book so he telephoned

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me and I'm cutting a long story short

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here Ryan because of we must go into

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other stories a telephone Mina says okay

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I'd love to meet you guys so they came

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to my house and I said to them guys

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would you would you be happy to go

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through hypnotic regression

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just to see if perhaps and it's a big

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perhaps something may something else may

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have happened that night and his words

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to me rhyme was Malcolm by God we will

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try anything we will try anything we

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need to know what happened that night

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our own wives don't believe us their

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workmates don't believe us we're the

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part of every ridiculed joke going we

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need to know what yes Malcolm will try

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it and I says guys look

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at the end of the day hypnosis is not

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the be-all and end-all of tools you you

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know you may come up with something that

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you may have read as a young child they

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call it kryptonasia something it's

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stored in the very mindset of your brain

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and you drag it up in the hypnosis and

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you may think it's happened to you but

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it's maybe something you've read as a in

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a book as a child it says look I'm aware

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of that Malcolm but let's please can we

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go ahead so a long story short

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um we got a qualified hypnotherapist we

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regressed both men back to that night on

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August 1992 and the typical abduction

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scenario unfolded but with a few

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differences which we'll come to the

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conscious we call Rain was ever of only

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ever seeing this craft above the road

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now under hypnosis

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bizarre story unfolded so this is what

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they said

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the car was stocked on the road

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they were approached by several small

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gray creatures

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they were taken out forcibly out of the

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car now I mentioned that there are some

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differences here's one of them

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the gallery was placed on a free

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floating stretcher in other words

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none of these creatures were holding a

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stretcher it was just raised in air and

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it was lying flat on it and it took them

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in towards this craft now on board this

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craft Gary was stripped naked he was

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placed on a table of some description

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which was elevated about four or five

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feet off the ground

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um the he described the room as very

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very silvery very shiny and the roof the

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ceiling was corrugated I don't know if

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you know what I mean it corrugated you

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know and there was a diffuse light

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pervading the whole room but you

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couldn't pinpoint the source and um two

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of these small creatures were you know

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moving around his body and at one point

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a strange can-shaped device c-a-n can

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shape device just like a food can rhyme

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yeah only about two two feet tall rose

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up from the floor slowly came up to his

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head and they're gonna extendable part

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of that kind of came out in his

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Direction with like two red LED lights

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and it was slowly moving around and then

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it went back down into the floor Gary

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said that he looked above him and he saw

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this like a black

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black oink shaped

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the ship is weird to describe how to

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describe this black shape semi-circular

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and it was tumulating oscillating in the

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top of the room and he didn't know what

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purpose that served and at one point

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um one of these small creatures came

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towards him and in its hand it was like

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a pendulum that the dozers use and it

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was a triangular shaped Crystal and it

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was moving it up and down Gary's body

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now another difference from Modern Day

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abduction reports were that some of

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these small Grays had red green and blue

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lines under their eyes but it was more

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than lines it was like perforations if

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you like like a fish's gills and I'd be

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very very interested to hear if anybody

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has you know if there any tales in the

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world of something similar

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and as it was doing this he says Malcolm

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I couldn't move a muscle I desperately

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wanted to punch one of these little guys

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as you do he said I want you to really

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have one of these guys and but I

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couldn't I simply couldn't I could only

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move my eyes

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and I said in my own head I said why why

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are you doing this to me

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and you have the words

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sanctuary

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now we all know what's the word

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Sanctuary means rhyme you know a place

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of comfort place where you know you can

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with one of these great

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words thank you Sanctuary from what from

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from Mankind from who knows you know

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uh why else there was a he was lying on

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this flat raised table he looked down on

401
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the floor to his left and he saw a naked

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female and she had her knees sitting on

403
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her backstage she had her knees up under

404
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the chin and she had her arms around her

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legs and she slowly turned her head

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around and she had tears running down

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her face and Gary said to me says

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Malcolm

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If Ever I see that girl in my life again

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I will know exactly who that is I will

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always remember that sadness Despair and

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this this woman now moving on to Colin

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Colin found himself

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encased in this if you can imagine a a

415
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man's cigar tube Ryan it's normally so

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normally it's 68 inches isn't it but if

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she could imagine that about eight feet

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but pure glass or pear specs Colin was

419
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in a chair he was naked he was strapped

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down in this chair and

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um he could move either he could only

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00:20:34,669 --> 00:20:32,340
move his eyes and to the left and to the

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right and to the forwards he could see

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similar males and females completely

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naked and similar tubes and

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um you know from from teenagers to

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middle-aged people to elderly people and

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at one point it began to cry and they

429
00:20:56,990 --> 00:20:54,480
always there was this Mister Mist moving

430
00:20:59,810 --> 00:20:57,000
around the the bottom of these tubes you

431
00:21:02,330 --> 00:20:59,820
know and it was it was very very bizarre

432
00:21:04,909 --> 00:21:02,340
a very bizarre experience and there's so

433
00:21:07,850 --> 00:21:04,919
much more to this case I could say but

434
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the bottom line is for this case is I am

435
00:21:13,130 --> 00:21:10,919
absolutely convinced of the sincerity of

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both these two witnesses

437
00:21:18,409 --> 00:21:15,660
um yes it's just the story yes we don't

438
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have any evidence other than scars

439
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:20,340
Skeptics would say they've done it

440
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themselves

441
00:21:26,570 --> 00:21:23,760
sometimes Ryan and I'm sure you'll agree

442
00:21:28,730 --> 00:21:26,580
you just cannot win and what I mean by

443
00:21:30,890 --> 00:21:28,740
that is even if you had the best

444
00:21:33,049 --> 00:21:30,900
evidence in the world people would say

445
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:33,059
well you've made it on computer you've

446
00:21:39,649 --> 00:21:36,960
got you know actors telling a story I

447
00:21:42,289 --> 00:21:39,659
think it comes to the the the point is

448
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when something of this magnitude happens

449
00:21:48,049 --> 00:21:45,120
in your life to you you and only you

450
00:21:50,270 --> 00:21:48,059
know by God this is true and people have

451
00:21:51,529 --> 00:21:50,280
a hard hard time trying to prove this to

452
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:51,539
anybody else

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00:21:57,169 --> 00:21:54,720
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break through the algorithm thanks I I

463
00:22:20,570 --> 00:22:19,679
was just thinking of this earlier this

464
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morning

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00:22:23,289 --> 00:22:22,020
about

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um

467
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:26,100
situations and cases where sometimes

468
00:22:30,649 --> 00:22:27,840
people will come forward

469
00:22:32,810 --> 00:22:30,659
and I've been guilty of this myself and

470
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:32,820
you don't lay it all out there right at

471
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the beginning because you're somewhat

472
00:22:39,470 --> 00:22:37,080
embarrassed or worried what people will

473
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think of you and

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I I think that this case is I understand

475
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completely why you mentioned in the book

476
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that although the a70 UFO incident was

477
00:22:53,810 --> 00:22:51,840
covered in your previous book UFO Case

478
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Files of Scotland that it really

479
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:56,520
deserved to have its own standalone book

480
00:23:03,409 --> 00:23:00,480
this is this is absolutely amazing the

481
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,419
Recollections that Gary had and Colin

482
00:23:08,330 --> 00:23:05,280
the Recollections of the room with the

483
00:23:10,370 --> 00:23:08,340
table the round room somewhat similar to

484
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,380
what Travis Walton's Recollections and

485
00:23:16,250 --> 00:23:12,240
other abductees

486
00:23:18,649 --> 00:23:16,260
and uh the entities I mean an array of

487
00:23:20,930 --> 00:23:18,659
entities the small brown beings with

488
00:23:23,390 --> 00:23:20,940
folds of skin folded over their faces

489
00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:23,400
like a lot of abduction cases where

490
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,080
multiple entities are working together

491
00:23:32,529 --> 00:23:28,080
on some kind of team effort of sorts

492
00:23:37,370 --> 00:23:32,539
and let's not even go into this amazing

493
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:37,380
uh tube that Colin this glass chamber

494
00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:41,520
intrigued me to no end it it really does

495
00:23:49,070 --> 00:23:46,620
seem as if these guys saw something that

496
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,080
in no way it was so wild their minds

497
00:23:54,350 --> 00:23:51,120
could not ascertain what had actually

498
00:23:57,529 --> 00:23:54,360
taken place and I think you went exactly

499
00:23:59,810 --> 00:23:57,539
along the correct path uh having Helen

500
00:24:01,310 --> 00:23:59,820
Walters go through the extensive

501
00:24:04,490 --> 00:24:01,320
sessions

502
00:24:05,390 --> 00:24:04,500
what tangible and usable evidence do you

503
00:24:10,250 --> 00:24:05,400
believe

504
00:24:15,470 --> 00:24:12,409
yeah I mean it's like you said earlier

505
00:24:18,169 --> 00:24:15,480
we do have the we had some of uh the

506
00:24:20,810 --> 00:24:18,179
hypnotic regression sessions captured on

507
00:24:22,730 --> 00:24:20,820
on videotape and yeah I should have

508
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,740
mentioned as well there were these small

509
00:24:27,710 --> 00:24:24,960
brown beings with the heavy folds of

510
00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:27,720
skin like you mentioned and they got it

511
00:24:31,549 --> 00:24:29,580
was extremely frightened of one of these

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00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,559
little fellas there was also

513
00:24:37,010 --> 00:24:33,600
instrumentation a needle-like device

514
00:24:39,649 --> 00:24:37,020
that came down into Colin's eye uh when

515
00:24:41,930 --> 00:24:39,659
I did the updated version of the book

516
00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:41,940
came out last year

517
00:24:46,370 --> 00:24:44,520
um Colin stated that he has a severse

518
00:24:49,130 --> 00:24:46,380
reaction now to paints and certain

519
00:24:51,529 --> 00:24:49,140
smells and His Eye Is troubled with his

520
00:24:53,570 --> 00:24:51,539
eye oh after effects of the initial

521
00:24:56,510 --> 00:24:53,580
contact and

522
00:24:58,370 --> 00:24:56,520
um Gary mentioned to me says that um a

523
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,380
few years a good few years after that

524
00:25:02,750 --> 00:25:00,720
event and it's mentioned in the updated

525
00:25:04,970 --> 00:25:02,760
version of the book that he was driving

526
00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:04,980
with these two young Sons to another

527
00:25:11,870 --> 00:25:08,520
area in Scotland nowhere near the a70

528
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,880
but it was similar in the sense that you

529
00:25:16,010 --> 00:25:13,679
know there were fields on either side it

530
00:25:19,810 --> 00:25:16,020
was it was there but no houses

531
00:25:23,149 --> 00:25:19,820
Etc and then suddenly this Bright Light

532
00:25:26,029 --> 00:25:23,159
Came coming up the Bonnet of the car and

533
00:25:28,909 --> 00:25:26,039
came into the car and surrounded the car

534
00:25:30,049 --> 00:25:28,919
and his two young Sons Gary's Sons were

535
00:25:35,870 --> 00:25:30,059
screaming

536
00:25:39,529 --> 00:25:35,880
and God he just thought to himself oh no

537
00:25:42,529 --> 00:25:39,539
not again not again but thankfully Ryan

538
00:25:44,990 --> 00:25:42,539
it only lasted seconds and I can't

539
00:25:46,430 --> 00:25:45,000
remember if I told you the last time I

540
00:25:49,370 --> 00:25:46,440
spoke to you

541
00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:49,380
um but Gary's wife the principal witness

542
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:52,260
um Gary's wife she said you know she

543
00:25:56,570 --> 00:25:53,760
never believed that husband she thought

544
00:25:58,490 --> 00:25:56,580
it was like of his head and that's a

545
00:26:01,370 --> 00:25:58,500
shame because do you want your spouse to

546
00:26:04,190 --> 00:26:01,380
really be there for you you know and uh

547
00:26:06,409 --> 00:26:04,200
until one day I received a phone call

548
00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:06,419
it's great and important I tell you

549
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,340
that's underlessness because it adds to

550
00:26:13,549 --> 00:26:11,039
the story I received a phone call from

551
00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:13,559
Gary's wife and this is a year or so

552
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:16,980
maybe after the event and she says

553
00:26:22,909 --> 00:26:19,919
um Malcolm last night

554
00:26:26,570 --> 00:26:22,919
I was lying in bed Gary was sleeping

555
00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:26,580
next to me I was reading a book I closed

556
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,500
the book put the book down on the

557
00:26:34,510 --> 00:26:30,000
bedside table

558
00:26:38,690 --> 00:26:34,520
switch to late off and 30 seconds later

559
00:26:41,690 --> 00:26:38,700
small childlike hands grabbed my ankles

560
00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:41,700
and boom me build me possibly down my

561
00:26:47,149 --> 00:26:44,279
bed now whilst my head was on the pillow

562
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:47,159
now my head's halfway down the bed and I

563
00:26:53,570 --> 00:26:49,860
looked and I saw three small gray

564
00:26:56,029 --> 00:26:53,580
creatures standing there and I know they

565
00:26:58,130 --> 00:26:56,039
don't have great facial expressions

566
00:27:00,350 --> 00:26:58,140
which says they were shocked that they

567
00:27:02,269 --> 00:27:00,360
could see me and they let go of my

568
00:27:05,149 --> 00:27:02,279
ankles and they waddled into the wall

569
00:27:08,029 --> 00:27:05,159
and it just disappeared in the wall now

570
00:27:10,510 --> 00:27:08,039
another and when when I speak to people

571
00:27:13,370 --> 00:27:10,520
like your good self-rain I always always

572
00:27:16,610 --> 00:27:13,380
tell you what the witnesses have said to

573
00:27:18,529 --> 00:27:16,620
me because maybe one of your listeners

574
00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:18,539
can relate to this they know something

575
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:20,340
it's like a jigsaw they could add to

576
00:27:25,130 --> 00:27:23,279
this but Gary also said again we're

577
00:27:29,570 --> 00:27:25,140
looking at maybe a year or so after the

578
00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:29,580
main event in 1992 he said um he woke up

579
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:32,700
and he was startled to see a small gray

580
00:27:38,269 --> 00:27:35,279
creature at the foot of his bed now

581
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,279
thankfully thankfully Gary wasn't

582
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:40,799
paralyzed he jumped up he jumped out of

583
00:27:45,230 --> 00:27:43,380
his bed and I know it sounds crazy and

584
00:27:48,350 --> 00:27:45,240
some of your listeners may find it quite

585
00:27:51,049 --> 00:27:48,360
funny but Gary jumped out of bed and

586
00:27:54,190 --> 00:27:51,059
punched one of these little Graves and

587
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,200
it fell back tumbled back like a circus

588
00:28:07,149 --> 00:27:56,880
acrobats three or four times on the

589
00:28:12,110 --> 00:28:10,669
explosion of bright white light and I

590
00:28:13,250 --> 00:28:12,120
said Gary

591
00:28:16,130 --> 00:28:13,260
do you think you could have been

592
00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:16,140
dreaming no Malcolm absolutely not

593
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,600
because since the event happened it

594
00:28:22,610 --> 00:28:20,880
takes me to sleep in the sense that I

595
00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:22,620
can't sleep it's normally about three

596
00:28:28,430 --> 00:28:24,539
o'clock in the morning before I drop off

597
00:28:30,350 --> 00:28:28,440
my sleeping patterns all ruined Etc so

598
00:28:32,269 --> 00:28:30,360
you know

599
00:28:34,430 --> 00:28:32,279
as far as we're talking about evidence I

600
00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:34,440
think it can only come from

601
00:28:40,730 --> 00:28:37,320
from the heart of and the most of the

602
00:28:43,610 --> 00:28:40,740
witnesses now if we did manage to get

603
00:28:45,769 --> 00:28:43,620
trail cams or these small cams that you

604
00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:45,779
can put in bedrooms and stuff I mean

605
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:47,460
we've tried everything but some

606
00:28:53,149 --> 00:28:50,880
witnesses have been tied to the bed you

607
00:28:55,370 --> 00:28:53,159
know and but they still get claimed

608
00:28:57,230 --> 00:28:55,380
they're taken so we have to be very

609
00:29:00,110 --> 00:28:57,240
careful as well because if you remember

610
00:29:05,570 --> 00:29:00,120
the Australian case of Maureen pudding

611
00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:05,580
she was a UFO contactee abductee and two

612
00:29:10,190 --> 00:29:07,799
Australian researchers were in the car

613
00:29:13,549 --> 00:29:10,200
she invited these two researchers to

614
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:13,559
come with her to view these UFOs so yeah

615
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:16,080
yeah sure we'll do it so they were

616
00:29:21,850 --> 00:29:17,760
sitting in a car I can't remember where

617
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,649
and they were stationary in the car and

618
00:29:29,450 --> 00:29:26,880
Monument was coming they're coming

619
00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:29,460
they're coming oh oh

620
00:29:34,430 --> 00:29:31,320
I'm being taken I've been taken I'm

621
00:29:36,590 --> 00:29:34,440
going I'm going now she wasn't going

622
00:29:39,409 --> 00:29:36,600
anywhere in the sense that the two

623
00:29:40,909 --> 00:29:39,419
Australian researchers said well but she

624
00:29:43,789 --> 00:29:40,919
was still sitting in the car you know

625
00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:43,799
but she hadn't went so what are we what

626
00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:45,299
are we doing what we're seeing here is

627
00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:49,980
it a astral or athenic abduction or a

628
00:29:55,250 --> 00:29:52,200
physical abduction are they taking more

629
00:29:57,169 --> 00:29:55,260
or less the soul or actual body of the

630
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,179
person out rather than the physical body

631
00:30:03,289 --> 00:30:00,000
it's just a strange things

632
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:03,299
a good point that you're making as you

633
00:30:08,269 --> 00:30:05,940
know and you state in your book Dr John

634
00:30:11,570 --> 00:30:08,279
Mack stated at the end of his second

635
00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:11,580
book passport to the cosmos that

636
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:14,820
abduction phenomena seems to have

637
00:30:18,850 --> 00:30:17,520
a collapsing Duality enabling us to see

638
00:30:21,889 --> 00:30:18,860
that we are connected

639
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:21,899
beyond the Earth at a cosmic level

640
00:30:26,750 --> 00:30:24,240
and I think that this harrowing account

641
00:30:30,169 --> 00:30:26,760
kind of explains that something that

642
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:30,179
really stood out to me was the fact that

643
00:30:36,250 --> 00:30:33,600
Gary reiterated that these beings

644
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:36,260
definitely wanted to come here he said

645
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:39,600
strange comments like they need us were

646
00:30:44,570 --> 00:30:42,000
very important to them they don't want

647
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:44,580
to destroy us they just need us and this

648
00:30:51,169 --> 00:30:47,520
sounds like they may possibly be iconic

649
00:30:53,090 --> 00:30:51,179
or we may be a harvest of some sort to

650
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:53,100
them what are your thoughts on this

651
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:55,679
Theory Malcolm yes sir it's a question

652
00:31:00,769 --> 00:30:57,600
that get asked a lot you know and that

653
00:31:03,289 --> 00:31:00,779
question is you know what is behind the

654
00:31:05,810 --> 00:31:03,299
UFO abductions and you could have many

655
00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:05,820
different ufologists on your show and I

656
00:31:09,169 --> 00:31:07,320
dare say you get you know as many

657
00:31:12,409 --> 00:31:09,179
different answers

658
00:31:14,930 --> 00:31:12,419
um the main consensus of opinion is that

659
00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:14,940
they are Harvest harvesting spare

660
00:31:20,029 --> 00:31:17,640
maneuver for males and females to

661
00:31:22,909 --> 00:31:20,039
populate a dying Planet but that's Max

662
00:31:25,130 --> 00:31:22,919
to me of Hollywood it's it doesn't seem

663
00:31:28,190 --> 00:31:25,140
real it doesn't seem right it doesn't

664
00:31:29,769 --> 00:31:28,200
seem positive I can't believe that

665
00:31:33,529 --> 00:31:29,779
they're still still

666
00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:33,539
taking these samples 40 50 60 70 years

667
00:31:38,570 --> 00:31:35,520
on now they're still doing that same

668
00:31:42,529 --> 00:31:38,580
thing something is not right annual lady

669
00:31:45,049 --> 00:31:42,539
who was um abducted and she was um she

670
00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:45,059
was taken again on board this craft and

671
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:48,120
she was shown a headious half human half

672
00:31:54,049 --> 00:31:51,960
alien child in their the Gray's arms and

673
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:54,059
telepathically she was told that this

674
00:31:57,169 --> 00:31:55,679
belongs to you

675
00:31:59,870 --> 00:31:57,179
so I

676
00:32:03,289 --> 00:31:59,880
I have no answers like I have so much

677
00:32:05,570 --> 00:32:03,299
speculation and I don't think anybody

678
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:05,580
can safely say a hand on that they truly

679
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:08,159
know what is truly behind us are they

680
00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:11,760
Time Travelers uh the uh they're not

681
00:32:15,889 --> 00:32:13,620
necessarily coming from a distant planet

682
00:32:18,409 --> 00:32:15,899
they could be here already on Earth

683
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,419
under the oceans of this planet

684
00:32:22,370 --> 00:32:20,159
um I think I go along with Jacques

685
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:22,380
Valley the French physicists in

686
00:32:27,649 --> 00:32:25,140
astronomer and also and he thinks it's

687
00:32:30,649 --> 00:32:27,659
more to do with dimensions a dimensional

688
00:32:33,529 --> 00:32:30,659
shift that brings these people in and

689
00:32:36,470 --> 00:32:33,539
out of her reality and we can view them

690
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:36,480
and it's like if we're at TV or a radio

691
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:38,820
set you've got a tune ourselves in and

692
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:41,039
if we're of the same frequency we can

693
00:32:46,850 --> 00:32:44,460
see them so it's a big big uh I don't

694
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:46,860
know the bottom line there is I don't

695
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,279
know what is behind going on here

696
00:32:54,169 --> 00:32:51,840
that is an honest answer and I

697
00:32:56,210 --> 00:32:54,179
appreciate that that that's similar and

698
00:32:58,250 --> 00:32:56,220
you know I appreciate Jack valet very

699
00:33:01,250 --> 00:32:58,260
much because he is much like yourself

700
00:33:02,510 --> 00:33:01,260
where he does not try to explain he just

701
00:33:05,570 --> 00:33:02,520
goes over

702
00:33:07,730 --> 00:33:05,580
the data gathered and the research that

703
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:07,740
he's done much like yourself

704
00:33:12,169 --> 00:33:10,020
I think when we start to theorize we

705
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:12,179
start to lose grasp of what's taking

706
00:33:19,009 --> 00:33:15,120
place and I like that

707
00:33:22,430 --> 00:33:19,019
these gentlemen Gary and Colin had some

708
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:22,440
kind of I'm assuming that this was

709
00:33:27,889 --> 00:33:25,679
spoken to them not in language but just

710
00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:27,899
mind to mind but there were messages

711
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:30,600
that went from these entities into the

712
00:33:37,070 --> 00:33:34,559
abductees and Colin also had a very

713
00:33:38,509 --> 00:33:37,080
strange thing that stood out to me as he

714
00:33:42,350 --> 00:33:38,519
was in fact

715
00:33:44,889 --> 00:33:42,360
told by these creatures or that they had

716
00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:44,899
a life just like him but only different

717
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,880
and my question is what in the world or

718
00:33:52,570 --> 00:33:49,679
out of it does that mean to you what

719
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:52,580
what is that where does that lead us

720
00:33:57,230 --> 00:33:54,960
yeah it's a shame that

721
00:34:01,250 --> 00:33:57,240
um that we didn't know more about that

722
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:01,260
because that is a as a sentence uh that

723
00:34:05,149 --> 00:34:03,120
we we should expand on you know they

724
00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:05,159
have a life like us only different but

725
00:34:10,669 --> 00:34:07,620
what what does different mean and maybe

726
00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:10,679
looking back I said I've maybe ask Colin

727
00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:14,220
uh you know and and ask more deeper but

728
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:16,080
we were trying to assemble so much

729
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,760
information

730
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:19,679
um oh I can speculate on that particular

731
00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:22,320
line is such that um yeah of course

732
00:34:27,470 --> 00:34:23,879
everybody every

733
00:34:31,490 --> 00:34:27,480
human being or humanoid person has a

734
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:31,500
life a substance of its own and um but

735
00:34:37,010 --> 00:34:33,839
not everything will be the same I dare

736
00:34:39,470 --> 00:34:37,020
say that if they are living on some

737
00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:39,480
final planet or some dimensional

738
00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:41,940
frequency whatever that things certainly

739
00:34:46,369 --> 00:34:44,339
won't be different it's a shame also

740
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,379
that Colin didn't persevere and ask him

741
00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:48,480
well tell me more tell me more it's

742
00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:50,820
that's a great Shame about this case

743
00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:53,700
that um I was at fault for not asking

744
00:34:59,089 --> 00:34:57,180
more relevant questions because you know

745
00:35:00,829 --> 00:34:59,099
there were certain circumstances that

746
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:00,839
dictated that we couldn't always get

747
00:35:05,750 --> 00:35:03,359
these guys to come to our homes to

748
00:35:07,609 --> 00:35:05,760
discuss this and then after a period of

749
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:07,619
time they they kind of they dropped out

750
00:35:11,390 --> 00:35:09,839
they didn't want to speak about it yes

751
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,400
admittedly they were going to be a

752
00:35:16,490 --> 00:35:13,440
Hollywood movie about it admittedly but

753
00:35:20,089 --> 00:35:16,500
again the guys backed out of that but um

754
00:35:22,130 --> 00:35:20,099
clearly the these beings they have been

755
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,140
seen throughout the world for sure it's

756
00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:24,480
not just a Scottish thing it's a Global

757
00:35:29,329 --> 00:35:26,820
thing and as such one would imagine that

758
00:35:31,310 --> 00:35:29,339
yes they too absolutely have their own

759
00:35:33,770 --> 00:35:31,320
lives of their own

760
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:33,780
um you know whether we can speculate

761
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,520
they've got supermarkets and they've got

762
00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:37,920
televisions and this that again that's

763
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:39,960
just been silly they can speculate to

764
00:35:44,569 --> 00:35:41,760
their cows come home but clearly if

765
00:35:46,970 --> 00:35:44,579
there's an advanced race we cannot

766
00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:46,980
comprehend the magnitude of the

767
00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:49,980
technological advances that these fellas

768
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,920
have done over the years and I I always

769
00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:54,720
say it's like going into your back

770
00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:57,720
garden and lifting a stone and then

771
00:36:02,270 --> 00:36:00,540
suddenly this sunlight penetrates the

772
00:36:04,010 --> 00:36:02,280
darkness it was always under that stone

773
00:36:06,349 --> 00:36:04,020
and you see all these little ants

774
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,359
scurrying about scurrying about they

775
00:36:10,250 --> 00:36:08,160
know that their world has changed

776
00:36:13,790 --> 00:36:10,260
because suddenly there's light

777
00:36:15,829 --> 00:36:13,800
penetrating their world and maybe maybe

778
00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:15,839
it's something we can't see even no one

779
00:36:19,609 --> 00:36:18,119
looking we're not looking far enough we

780
00:36:21,950 --> 00:36:19,619
can't see the width of the trees we're

781
00:36:24,829 --> 00:36:21,960
not looking out the box manner but

782
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,839
there's something mankind is about this

783
00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:26,640
whole year for abduction scenario

784
00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:28,740
there's something there's a piece of the

785
00:36:33,710 --> 00:36:31,020
puzzle lying on the floor that we can't

786
00:36:36,650 --> 00:36:33,720
find and if we had that bit a puzzle

787
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,660
that would answer it we could further

788
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:38,640
state that should we be worried she'd be

789
00:36:42,290 --> 00:36:40,079
concerned

790
00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:42,300
well the people who

791
00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:44,940
have to endure these vehicle abductions

792
00:36:49,310 --> 00:36:46,980
it's not pleasant for them by any way

793
00:36:51,770 --> 00:36:49,320
shape or form and that's a worry in

794
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:51,780
anyone's language you know but

795
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:53,839
everything meant to cause us any harm

796
00:36:58,730 --> 00:36:56,700
then things would have been more nasty

797
00:36:59,810 --> 00:36:58,740
we would have seen a a different state

798
00:37:01,609 --> 00:36:59,820
of it

799
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:01,619
I mean when we look at

800
00:37:06,650 --> 00:37:04,800
the Pascagoula and the uh the case that

801
00:37:08,690 --> 00:37:06,660
happened there you know that was quite

802
00:37:10,609 --> 00:37:08,700
nasty as well they've been there have

803
00:37:13,250 --> 00:37:10,619
been some nasty abductions throughout

804
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:13,260
the world but nothing

805
00:37:18,410 --> 00:37:16,320
nothing really has really penetrated

806
00:37:19,849 --> 00:37:18,420
this world to really cause a disaster

807
00:37:20,990 --> 00:37:19,859
like you see in the movies thank

808
00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:21,000
goodness

809
00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:23,880
and I completely agree with the fact

810
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,300
that the the commentary on the ants

811
00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:29,760
you know we very much an aunt and

812
00:37:33,890 --> 00:37:31,260
ourselves live in very different

813
00:37:36,530 --> 00:37:33,900
realities although we are in the same

814
00:37:38,690 --> 00:37:36,540
Dimension at the same time our actions

815
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:38,700
often times that we think are nominal

816
00:37:42,490 --> 00:37:40,320
and have nothing to do with the ant

817
00:37:45,470 --> 00:37:42,500
personally may very well

818
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,480
catastrophically completely change or

819
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,520
annihilate their existence as they know

820
00:37:51,650 --> 00:37:49,440
it and

821
00:37:54,530 --> 00:37:51,660
um that is such a good point and I I

822
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,540
remember the I had a conversation Jacque

823
00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:56,160
Valley came to my house with some other

824
00:38:00,290 --> 00:37:57,420
scientists

825
00:38:02,210 --> 00:38:00,300
and I remember we had a conversation and

826
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,220
he explained this dimensional thing

827
00:38:07,010 --> 00:38:04,320
which to me was new and far-fetched at

828
00:38:09,650 --> 00:38:07,020
the time to make it relevant and

829
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:09,660
understandable to me to myself he

830
00:38:14,569 --> 00:38:12,240
explained it in the reference to the Gin

831
00:38:17,450 --> 00:38:14,579
in the Middle East and how you know it

832
00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:17,460
is said that the Gin also have lives of

833
00:38:21,530 --> 00:38:19,560
their own in different dimensions they

834
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,540
have families they can travel thousands

835
00:38:27,530 --> 00:38:24,000
of miles in a second this is stuff that

836
00:38:29,329 --> 00:38:27,540
I never was presented with and it it

837
00:38:32,030 --> 00:38:29,339
sort of was the Hallmarks of kind of

838
00:38:34,849 --> 00:38:32,040
opening my mind to the reality that

839
00:38:38,510 --> 00:38:34,859
other realities can exist that sometimes

840
00:38:42,250 --> 00:38:38,520
merge with our own I I wanted to ask you

841
00:38:44,450 --> 00:38:42,260
in UFO researchers Yvonne R Smith's book

842
00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:44,460
chosen which you mentioned in the book

843
00:38:49,790 --> 00:38:46,500
which is Recollections of abductions

844
00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:49,800
through hypnotherapy she presents an

845
00:38:55,609 --> 00:38:53,160
abduction case which to some degree had

846
00:38:59,210 --> 00:38:55,619
some of the same Hallmarks to Colin's

847
00:39:01,550 --> 00:38:59,220
situation can we discuss those those

848
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:01,560
I'll try to remember what that was now

849
00:39:07,730 --> 00:39:04,020
but yes I do remember that because I've

850
00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:07,740
met uh I've met Yvonne at uh UFO

851
00:39:12,530 --> 00:39:09,960
conference in Ireland some years ago we

852
00:39:15,650 --> 00:39:12,540
had a great discussion about ufology and

853
00:39:17,930 --> 00:39:15,660
abductions Etc but that's that's a sense

854
00:39:20,329 --> 00:39:17,940
of what I'm trying to do and when I see

855
00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:20,339
something that's very similar to what

856
00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:22,200
happens here in Scotland to Gary and

857
00:39:27,050 --> 00:39:24,300
Colin then it won't seek permission to

858
00:39:28,190 --> 00:39:27,060
use that and clearly what she mentioned

859
00:39:30,170 --> 00:39:28,200
in the book

860
00:39:32,329 --> 00:39:30,180
um was something very very consistent

861
00:39:35,150 --> 00:39:32,339
and similar to what happened in Guardian

862
00:39:37,010 --> 00:39:35,160
Collins case and I think that's that's

863
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:37,020
you know it's like I said earlier it's

864
00:39:41,089 --> 00:39:38,880
like someone has a big jig sort of

865
00:39:44,510 --> 00:39:41,099
tripped on the floor the pieces that

866
00:39:46,370 --> 00:39:44,520
went everywhere you uh me Jacques Valley

867
00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:46,380
everybody is trying to invest all these

868
00:39:50,450 --> 00:39:48,060
pieces together and find out what's

869
00:39:52,250 --> 00:39:50,460
going on I can't remember exactly off

870
00:39:54,349 --> 00:39:52,260
the top of my head what that reference

871
00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:54,359
was but clearly yes it is in the book

872
00:40:00,410 --> 00:39:56,760
there was something similar to what she

873
00:40:02,450 --> 00:40:00,420
was uh recalling and at Ness States at

874
00:40:05,930 --> 00:40:02,460
nested perfectly by what Guardian Colin

875
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:05,940
was sent and that that I think is the

876
00:40:09,410 --> 00:40:07,560
most important thing is finding the

877
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:09,420
similarities right not the differences

878
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:12,720
because you find so often that those

879
00:40:16,690 --> 00:40:14,880
Skeptics who are trying to debunk these

880
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:16,700
things are looking for the differences

881
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:20,280
and not the overwhelming similarities

882
00:40:26,450 --> 00:40:23,280
between many of these cases which gives

883
00:40:28,370 --> 00:40:26,460
us sort of a baseline to understand what

884
00:40:30,829 --> 00:40:28,380
may be going on

885
00:40:34,310 --> 00:40:30,839
and I wanted to ask you also Scotland

886
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:34,320
has a long history of UFO incidents but

887
00:40:39,710 --> 00:40:37,200
also something that you have been able

888
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:39,720
to undertake on your quest to understand

889
00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:42,480
the nature of human contact with

890
00:40:46,849 --> 00:40:45,060
non-human intelligences is you go to

891
00:40:49,609 --> 00:40:46,859
many of these locations you've gone

892
00:40:54,170 --> 00:40:49,619
after some of these entities that are

893
00:40:56,030 --> 00:40:54,180
also more uh at home let's say in our

894
00:40:58,609 --> 00:40:56,040
surroundings and one of those is Loch

895
00:41:01,550 --> 00:40:58,619
Ness can you tell us a little bit about

896
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:01,560
your Excursion in a submarine into the

897
00:41:05,930 --> 00:41:03,839
depths of Loch Ness this just mesmerized

898
00:41:09,609 --> 00:41:05,940
me that that you've been able to do this

899
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:09,619
I was very very fortunate back in 1994

900
00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:12,720
to go down in the Loch Ness submarine it

901
00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:16,859
was about 20 to 25 feet in length uh was

902
00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:19,140
sponsored by Swatch watches there was a

903
00:41:25,370 --> 00:41:22,320
red white submarine and I had a very a

904
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,380
big glass portal and the nose and the

905
00:41:29,810 --> 00:41:27,359
front of the submarine above that

906
00:41:31,930 --> 00:41:29,820
toughened glass nose was about seven or

907
00:41:35,329 --> 00:41:31,940
eight very very strong halogen lights

908
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,339
there was also a glass portal window in

909
00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:37,680
the Florida submarine I was very

910
00:41:41,089 --> 00:41:39,060
confined

911
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:41,099
um you know a few of claustrophobic line

912
00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:43,520
you wouldn't last two seconds in there

913
00:41:50,690 --> 00:41:47,700
it was a solid instrumentation dials and

914
00:41:54,050 --> 00:41:50,700
all that hairstyle condensation running

915
00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:54,060
the the slimy walls of it as well now

916
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:55,800
the reason they were taking actually

917
00:42:00,770 --> 00:41:57,839
members of the public down for about a

918
00:42:04,490 --> 00:42:00,780
few weeks at that time the reason being

919
00:42:07,310 --> 00:42:04,500
and they were charging 69 pounds and 50

920
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,320
pence British money and to go down in

921
00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:09,359
Loch Ness for an hour

922
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:11,940
now this was to fund there was just to

923
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:15,359
fund the core sampling of the lock floor

924
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,000
so I was like they were drilling into

925
00:42:22,490 --> 00:42:20,400
the lock floor at Loch Ness and then

926
00:42:25,069 --> 00:42:22,500
they would retrieve that and then on the

927
00:42:26,569 --> 00:42:25,079
surface they would open up and it was

928
00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:26,579
just like if you can imagine

929
00:42:30,530 --> 00:42:28,440
um cutting down a tree

930
00:42:33,230 --> 00:42:30,540
and you've got the tree stump and you

931
00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:33,240
see all the concentric rings and that

932
00:42:37,550 --> 00:42:35,640
tells you the year that tree was there

933
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,560
and you know it goes right the way back

934
00:42:42,290 --> 00:42:40,560
well it was sedimentary deposits in the

935
00:42:44,690 --> 00:42:42,300
large floor they were looking at just to

936
00:42:46,910 --> 00:42:44,700
get the consistency and found out right

937
00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:46,920
through the centuries what had been

938
00:42:51,890 --> 00:42:49,380
happening there you know they even had I

939
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:51,900
believe some kind of slight Fallout from

940
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:54,240
Chernobyl it was in deposited in the

941
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:56,520
locks would you believe and so that's

942
00:43:00,530 --> 00:42:57,839
why they were you know they were

943
00:43:02,210 --> 00:43:00,540
charging people money to do that so I

944
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,220
was down there with my

945
00:43:07,609 --> 00:43:04,800
my video camera I interviewed the

946
00:43:10,250 --> 00:43:07,619
skipper of the submarine and

947
00:43:12,589 --> 00:43:10,260
um you know we went down to a depth of I

948
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:12,599
can't remember now just under five six

949
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:15,660
hundred feet and the lock floor was very

950
00:43:23,150 --> 00:43:19,280
Sandy very silky with White Rock

951
00:43:24,890 --> 00:43:23,160
protruding up from the Sandy silts and

952
00:43:26,990 --> 00:43:24,900
I've said this in other lectures you

953
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:27,000
know at one point we're slowly going

954
00:43:30,050 --> 00:43:28,800
going along the lock floor and then

955
00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:30,060
suddenly back

956
00:43:36,410 --> 00:43:33,960
the floor just disappeared big big Chasm

957
00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:36,420
like the Mariana Trench but not as big

958
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:39,540
as that by a long joke and uh I assess

959
00:43:44,270 --> 00:43:41,880
the discovery of the submarine can we go

960
00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:44,280
down there he went oh no no no no but

961
00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:47,160
got disconnected allotted costs and it

962
00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:49,140
was the most fantastic

963
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:52,020
um hour of my life you know and they

964
00:43:58,609 --> 00:43:54,960
have managed themselves to get some very

965
00:44:02,089 --> 00:43:58,619
bizarre sonar contacts and for me

966
00:44:03,170 --> 00:44:02,099
eyewitness testimony you know it's not

967
00:44:05,210 --> 00:44:03,180
strong

968
00:44:08,089 --> 00:44:05,220
um for me the best evidence to suggest

969
00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:08,099
that there's something in excess a 15 20

970
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:11,640
feet long mess is clearly sonar which

971
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:15,420
was exemplified by uh operation deep

972
00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:19,680
scan back in 1987 where about 11 or 12

973
00:44:26,270 --> 00:44:23,460
small books had the best sophisticated

974
00:44:29,809 --> 00:44:26,280
sonar apparatus on these boats at the

975
00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:29,819
time and they swept up and down up and

976
00:44:36,410 --> 00:44:32,460
down Loch Ness and they managed to get a

977
00:44:38,890 --> 00:44:36,420
handful of very bizarre sonar contacts

978
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:38,900
which these trained operators went well

979
00:44:44,270 --> 00:44:41,760
we don't know what that says it's not a

980
00:44:47,750 --> 00:44:44,280
group show of fish it's they couldn't

981
00:44:50,569 --> 00:44:47,760
identify it so it was an experience and

982
00:44:54,589 --> 00:44:50,579
you know as you know I was going to

983
00:44:57,290 --> 00:44:54,599
uh I have this plan to capture this it

984
00:45:01,130 --> 00:44:57,300
made all the world's newspapers back in

985
00:45:02,690 --> 00:45:01,140
I think it was 1996 I think and um what

986
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:02,700
happened there was that a phone call

987
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:04,800
from a Scottish journalist who said

988
00:45:09,050 --> 00:45:08,160
Malcolm Ted Danson the actor is doing a

989
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:09,060
movie

990
00:45:14,569 --> 00:45:12,000
um about Loch Ness and um but do not be

991
00:45:16,790 --> 00:45:14,579
peace in the newspaper Malcolm I mean do

992
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:16,800
you think Ness is real do you think will

993
00:45:21,710 --> 00:45:19,200
ever capture it and I said to this

994
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,720
journalist Reina says well you have just

995
00:45:27,050 --> 00:45:23,520
called at the right time because yes I

996
00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:27,060
do I have this plan to capture nursing

997
00:45:33,470 --> 00:45:30,420
now if you and your lovely listeners can

998
00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:33,480
imagine a boxing ring a boxing ring

999
00:45:37,849 --> 00:45:35,700
right you've got the ropes the square

1000
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:37,859
ring you've got the ropes only this

1001
00:45:42,829 --> 00:45:40,140
thing would be very you know I'd be at

1002
00:45:45,470 --> 00:45:42,839
least a hundred feet long from the floor

1003
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:45,480
and save this boxing ring would be this

1004
00:45:52,130 --> 00:45:48,000
machine continually churning out a kind

1005
00:45:53,930 --> 00:45:52,140
of fish curry now on the on the the

1006
00:45:55,130 --> 00:45:53,940
groups of this image

1007
00:45:59,390 --> 00:45:55,140
would be

1008
00:46:03,349 --> 00:45:59,400
spherical balls which had radio biopsy

1009
00:46:05,390 --> 00:46:03,359
darts so any creature pushing pushing

1010
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:05,400
against these ropes would automatically

1011
00:46:12,410 --> 00:46:08,880
like a grenade pin release these radial

1012
00:46:15,410 --> 00:46:12,420
biopsy dots tranquilizing that into the

1013
00:46:18,770 --> 00:46:15,420
creature and nullifying it and it would

1014
00:46:21,530 --> 00:46:18,780
alerts divers on the top of the the the

1015
00:46:23,809 --> 00:46:21,540
the the lock sometimes breached this

1016
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:23,819
this device let's go down here and

1017
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,640
anyway long story short a phoned me back

1018
00:46:31,130 --> 00:46:28,560
a few days later and he says Malcolm

1019
00:46:34,010 --> 00:46:31,140
you'll never believe who is going to put

1020
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,020
the money up for you to make this plan

1021
00:46:39,650 --> 00:46:36,720
of yours happen I mean who you said

1022
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,660
Steven Spielberg all right you're joking

1023
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,760
he says no seriously it's very very

1024
00:46:46,130 --> 00:46:43,440
interested

1025
00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:46,140
um but like all things in life Ryan it

1026
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:48,420
didn't transpire Mr Spielberg when I

1027
00:46:55,550 --> 00:46:52,319
make other movies and um but today even

1028
00:46:57,950 --> 00:46:55,560
today I still feel that this device is

1029
00:47:01,970 --> 00:46:57,960
something that could probably you know

1030
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:01,980
lift the lid off the nursery Enigma I am

1031
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:06,319
so fascinated by Nessie and the location

1032
00:47:11,450 --> 00:47:09,359
and let's let's sort of go into that a

1033
00:47:15,050 --> 00:47:11,460
little bit and move from one Beast to

1034
00:47:17,569 --> 00:47:15,060
another which is Aleister Crowley and

1035
00:47:19,309 --> 00:47:17,579
the fact that and you would know this

1036
00:47:20,650 --> 00:47:19,319
better than anyone there have been

1037
00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:20,660
rumors

1038
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:23,880
that well for many years it was said

1039
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:27,119
that the the house bullskin house which

1040
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:29,040
Aleister Crowley purchased because it

1041
00:47:34,970 --> 00:47:32,160
had all the correct architecture the

1042
00:47:38,569 --> 00:47:34,980
right number of rooms and windows Etc to

1043
00:47:41,930 --> 00:47:38,579
do his magic rituals however

1044
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:41,940
the house it is said

1045
00:47:49,250 --> 00:47:46,800
was built upon a site which used to have

1046
00:47:51,470 --> 00:47:49,260
well locals maintain it stood upon the

1047
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:51,480
site of an old church one that caught

1048
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:53,220
fire and which led to the death of the

1049
00:47:58,190 --> 00:47:55,920
entire congregation which were deep in

1050
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:58,200
prayer when the fire broke out this

1051
00:48:04,270 --> 00:48:01,440
could just be rumor but then again bull

1052
00:48:06,890 --> 00:48:04,280
skin house itself also caught fire later

1053
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:06,900
and I I believe I saw it was recently

1054
00:48:13,730 --> 00:48:10,319
for sale again at least the land do you

1055
00:48:16,430 --> 00:48:13,740
believe that this area in general

1056
00:48:18,890 --> 00:48:16,440
where Nessie is Loch Ness

1057
00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:18,900
might be an ideal place to conduct

1058
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:22,200
rituals such as Aleister Crowley's is

1059
00:48:30,589 --> 00:48:25,760
there something inherent to the area

1060
00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:30,599
is Enigma and himself it was built as

1061
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:32,880
the evilest man on the planet you know

1062
00:48:38,030 --> 00:48:36,000
years ago and he did cast a lot of

1063
00:48:40,550 --> 00:48:38,040
spells he did a lot of

1064
00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:40,560
um nasty stuff and stuff

1065
00:48:45,290 --> 00:48:43,140
and he did then as you said he had he

1066
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:45,300
stayed in bullskin house for a number of

1067
00:48:50,450 --> 00:48:48,180
years doing all of his experiments Etc

1068
00:48:53,630 --> 00:48:50,460
now whether as some people would say

1069
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,640
that that conjured up necessity of fear

1070
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:55,440
um it's neither here nor there because

1071
00:49:00,890 --> 00:48:58,319
we have to bear in mind that Nessie was

1072
00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:00,900
it was at Loch Ness and Loch Ness way

1073
00:49:04,250 --> 00:49:03,000
before Aleister Crowley came on the

1074
00:49:06,589 --> 00:49:04,260
scene

1075
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:06,599
um some people have suggested that maybe

1076
00:49:12,349 --> 00:49:09,839
some kind of tulpa or a thought Forum

1077
00:49:13,970 --> 00:49:12,359
you know people creating that they're

1078
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,980
just thinking about Loch Ness all the

1079
00:49:17,569 --> 00:49:15,119
time I wonder what's there I wonder

1080
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,579
what's there and by some strange design

1081
00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:19,920
there's this this this creature just

1082
00:49:24,589 --> 00:49:21,900
appears as this thought form it sounds

1083
00:49:27,290 --> 00:49:24,599
absolutely ridiculous but we have to

1084
00:49:30,589 --> 00:49:27,300
have been in mind that in Canada I think

1085
00:49:31,730 --> 00:49:30,599
it was a group called Surat or saurat

1086
00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:31,740
um the

1087
00:49:37,130 --> 00:49:34,200
um dreamed of this imaginary Cavalier

1088
00:49:39,170 --> 00:49:37,140
they sat and circle for months and

1089
00:49:42,349 --> 00:49:39,180
months and months given this guy in an

1090
00:49:44,329 --> 00:49:42,359
imaginary name and you know an imaginary

1091
00:49:47,510 --> 00:49:44,339
wife and history and nothing nothing

1092
00:49:49,609 --> 00:49:47,520
happened until one night this guy came

1093
00:49:51,950 --> 00:49:49,619
through and said yeah that's who he was

1094
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:51,960
he was Philip and you can look that up

1095
00:49:58,130 --> 00:49:54,900
on Google of course so um and then the

1096
00:50:00,170 --> 00:49:58,140
the llamas the the Tibetan Monks and all

1097
00:50:02,569 --> 00:50:00,180
that they claim that they can create

1098
00:50:04,490 --> 00:50:02,579
toggpas so it just takes us to a

1099
00:50:07,010 --> 00:50:04,500
different uh Arena I mean there's no

1100
00:50:08,690 --> 00:50:07,020
denying Loch Ness and I was there a few

1101
00:50:11,150 --> 00:50:08,700
months ago it's a beautiful beautiful

1102
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:11,160
part of Scotland it's on the great great

1103
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:15,920
Glen fault it has a history of magic Etc

1104
00:50:23,809 --> 00:50:20,640
and also also UFO sightings as well of

1105
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:23,819
which I saw one my very self Loch Ness

1106
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:26,400
would you believe so it's a great great

1107
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,839
place to go

1108
00:50:31,790 --> 00:50:29,280
um for sure

1109
00:50:33,890 --> 00:50:31,800
yeah that's a big deal with the toolpas

1110
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:33,900
and I mean gosh we could do a whole

1111
00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:36,180
podcast about just the toolpas and the

1112
00:50:40,430 --> 00:50:37,740
power of the Mind

1113
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:40,440
and something that really Drew my

1114
00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:43,140
attention is how you explained in this

1115
00:50:46,750 --> 00:50:44,280
book

1116
00:50:49,690 --> 00:50:46,760
how the Mitchell foundation for

1117
00:50:54,230 --> 00:50:49,700
extraterrestrial experience research

1118
00:50:57,410 --> 00:50:54,240
known as free surveyed 4 200 individuals

1119
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:57,420
and discovered that 75 percent of

1120
00:51:03,470 --> 00:51:00,480
contact experiences were in out of body

1121
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:03,480
States so only 25 percent were physical

1122
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:06,240
I think this fact alone creates a

1123
00:51:11,569 --> 00:51:09,359
challenge to quantify and qualify this

1124
00:51:13,849 --> 00:51:11,579
experience in three-dimensional terms

1125
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:13,859
we're talking about something much

1126
00:51:19,490 --> 00:51:17,520
larger than just oh these people were

1127
00:51:23,690 --> 00:51:19,500
taken there's there's a lot going on

1128
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:23,700
here how how do you think abductions

1129
00:51:29,870 --> 00:51:27,359
are related to UFOs or UFOs related to

1130
00:51:32,329 --> 00:51:29,880
abductions because so many people see

1131
00:51:34,490 --> 00:51:32,339
UFOs so often it seems as if

1132
00:51:36,770 --> 00:51:34,500
people have kind of opened up to the

1133
00:51:38,410 --> 00:51:36,780
idea with different governments allowing

1134
00:51:41,329 --> 00:51:38,420
for more disclosure at least

1135
00:51:44,030 --> 00:51:41,339
superficially and more people are seeing

1136
00:51:45,950 --> 00:51:44,040
these in the skies what makes abductions

1137
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:45,960
in your opinion different than just you

1138
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:48,480
know the average weekend warrior UFO

1139
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:51,599
witness so it's a global phenomenon it's

1140
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,480
been going on since highman Memorial and

1141
00:51:59,450 --> 00:51:56,640
there's no evidence that's going to be

1142
00:52:02,630 --> 00:51:59,460
stopping anything soon I think where my

1143
00:52:04,569 --> 00:52:02,640
the search goes uh Ryan is that I'm more

1144
00:52:07,790 --> 00:52:04,579
interested in these kind of so-called

1145
00:52:10,670 --> 00:52:07,800
body abductions and all that you know or

1146
00:52:13,490 --> 00:52:10,680
the the the the the the father of the

1147
00:52:15,530 --> 00:52:13,500
the models lying in bed and one of them

1148
00:52:17,089 --> 00:52:15,540
gets switched off and they try to alert

1149
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,099
the other one and suddenly they either

1150
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:18,960
think they're falling asleep or

1151
00:52:23,329 --> 00:52:21,119
something happens to them I think we

1152
00:52:25,849 --> 00:52:23,339
need to do more research on and find out

1153
00:52:28,190 --> 00:52:25,859
what truly is going on with where these

1154
00:52:29,870 --> 00:52:28,200
people are going I'm not saying it's all

1155
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:29,880
imaginary I'm not saying it's on

1156
00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:33,720
medication or drugs or we do know that

1157
00:52:39,049 --> 00:52:36,119
certain dogs can't facilitate

1158
00:52:41,150 --> 00:52:39,059
um phenomenal experiences to occur the

1159
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:41,160
the American Indians have done it for

1160
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:44,400
years but um we need to know the the

1161
00:52:49,609 --> 00:52:47,520
abduction State the the the abduction

1162
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:49,619
state where people are getting taken

1163
00:52:54,049 --> 00:52:52,079
because of course it's not just out of

1164
00:52:56,930 --> 00:52:54,059
people's bedrooms it can be from the

1165
00:53:00,290 --> 00:52:56,940
Cars we make some more in Padia earlier

1166
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:00,300
on and of Guardian Colin as well from

1167
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:06,950
has been asked many many times before as

1168
00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:09,359
to why aren't these people has been

1169
00:53:14,569 --> 00:53:12,660
abducted been taken because it's a

1170
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:14,579
genetic thing now what I mean by that is

1171
00:53:19,790 --> 00:53:17,520
that we have found a new research that

1172
00:53:22,190 --> 00:53:19,800
as a family tree you know when you look

1173
00:53:25,130 --> 00:53:22,200
back through family trees they say oh my

1174
00:53:28,430 --> 00:53:25,140
great uncle was abducted a great auntie

1175
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:28,440
was abducted why why is this why is it

1176
00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:31,200
only certain people and people people

1177
00:53:36,829 --> 00:53:33,780
have laughed at me because I I've said

1178
00:53:39,370 --> 00:53:36,839
many many times I wish it was me they

1179
00:53:42,589 --> 00:53:39,380
came after and of course

1180
00:53:45,410 --> 00:53:42,599
abductees have said no you don't no you

1181
00:53:47,150 --> 00:53:45,420
don't family these receptors right and I

1182
00:53:50,750 --> 00:53:47,160
just want things to happen to me like

1183
00:53:52,130 --> 00:53:50,760
yesterday you know and uh it pains me

1184
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:52,140
that um

1185
00:53:56,809 --> 00:53:54,900
for all that I know or don't know about

1186
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:56,819
the UFOs and the abduction phenomena

1187
00:54:00,829 --> 00:53:58,559
it's not something that's happened to me

1188
00:54:03,290 --> 00:54:00,839
now I've put myself in the ballpark

1189
00:54:06,770 --> 00:54:03,300
we've did Sky watches at Bonnie Bridge

1190
00:54:10,370 --> 00:54:06,780
uh with uh you know done decimate Woods

1191
00:54:13,370 --> 00:54:10,380
Etc and um hoping that certain things

1192
00:54:16,490 --> 00:54:13,380
may happen they never have so is it just

1193
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:16,500
it's only certain people they're going

1194
00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:18,900
for it and if so why is it a genetic

1195
00:54:24,650 --> 00:54:21,900
thing is it through the family trees and

1196
00:54:26,750 --> 00:54:24,660
um but yet you don't get an answer from

1197
00:54:28,970 --> 00:54:26,760
that it just leads to more speculation

1198
00:54:32,270 --> 00:54:28,980
and that's self-esteem

1199
00:54:35,450 --> 00:54:32,280
and it it leads to so many different

1200
00:54:38,809 --> 00:54:35,460
paths with these UFO incidents and I

1201
00:54:42,650 --> 00:54:38,819
thought it was very strange how these

1202
00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:42,660
wild and Vivid strange dreams had by

1203
00:54:49,010 --> 00:54:46,200
Gary do you and and other abduction

1204
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:49,020
victims as well do you believe these

1205
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:51,839
dreams are connected to the experience

1206
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:56,930
that's a good point actually Ryan it's a

1207
00:55:02,750 --> 00:55:00,480
very good point because these dreams

1208
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:02,760
another of the peace have had them as

1209
00:55:07,490 --> 00:55:05,220
well of course let us not forget makes

1210
00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:07,500
me wonder as

1211
00:55:13,730 --> 00:55:10,680
against speculation when these guys are

1212
00:55:15,170 --> 00:55:13,740
dreaming or anybody's dreaming and

1213
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:15,180
they're in this Oak to stay there

1214
00:55:19,849 --> 00:55:17,520
they're in this dream world the brain

1215
00:55:23,870 --> 00:55:19,859
manufactures the scenario of the actors

1216
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:23,880
and the actresses Etc so I if can these

1217
00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:26,880
alien beings come somehow come into

1218
00:55:32,089 --> 00:55:29,880
human consciousness and be part of that

1219
00:55:35,809 --> 00:55:32,099
dream world and

1220
00:55:37,609 --> 00:55:35,819
um as a possibility because I'm also a

1221
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:37,619
spiritualist and I do believe having

1222
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:40,079
spoken to many people that people can

1223
00:55:45,650 --> 00:55:43,200
meet their loved ones in them so they're

1224
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:45,660
obviously they're gone they're not

1225
00:55:50,930 --> 00:55:48,720
living anymore that mortal remains lying

1226
00:55:53,930 --> 00:55:50,940
a grave but the physicality and the

1227
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:53,940
spirituality of these these people are

1228
00:55:58,670 --> 00:55:56,400
still in a different substance and they

1229
00:56:01,309 --> 00:55:58,680
can come into Premiere into people's

1230
00:56:03,950 --> 00:56:01,319
dreams so it's just it's an interesting

1231
00:56:06,650 --> 00:56:03,960
concept yeah for sure and and I know

1232
00:56:09,770 --> 00:56:06,660
that this is a very kind of a tricky

1233
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:09,780
slippery every slope walking on thin ice

1234
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:13,680
delving into it but often times these

1235
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:16,260
abduction experiences

1236
00:56:20,510 --> 00:56:17,760
have

1237
00:56:23,569 --> 00:56:20,520
Footprints or Tendencies of spiritual

1238
00:56:26,510 --> 00:56:23,579
experiences or demonic experiences

1239
00:56:28,670 --> 00:56:26,520
have you been able to bridge that Gap at

1240
00:56:35,210 --> 00:56:28,680
all and see if there's any correlation

1241
00:56:37,849 --> 00:56:35,220
to people's beliefs and these abductions

1242
00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:37,859
yeah I mean it's another good point

1243
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:40,140
you're raising there because abductions

1244
00:56:44,690 --> 00:56:42,240
happen to many different cultures and

1245
00:56:46,970 --> 00:56:44,700
communities and different

1246
00:56:49,609 --> 00:56:46,980
parts of the world you know they still

1247
00:56:51,049 --> 00:56:49,619
have them it's not as if it's it's these

1248
00:56:52,790 --> 00:56:51,059
small Grays are seen everywhere in the

1249
00:56:54,829 --> 00:56:52,800
world it's not just you know in the

1250
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:54,839
United States Canada and it's great

1251
00:56:59,930 --> 00:56:57,359
Brandon Europe and so these these

1252
00:57:01,130 --> 00:56:59,940
creatures are what fascinates me as well

1253
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:01,140
is that

1254
00:57:07,849 --> 00:57:03,839
we have these uh reptilian creatures we

1255
00:57:09,890 --> 00:57:07,859
have uh various other nordics Etc and

1256
00:57:13,309 --> 00:57:09,900
I'm not you know saying that that's not

1257
00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:13,319
true certainly what I cannot speak on

1258
00:57:18,109 --> 00:57:14,940
any case relating to any of these

1259
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:18,119
so-called reptilian creatures because

1260
00:57:24,410 --> 00:57:21,599
my Society have not dealt with any in

1261
00:57:27,530 --> 00:57:24,420
Scotland and uh that's not to say they

1262
00:57:29,450 --> 00:57:27,540
don't exist in me will do but um clearly

1263
00:57:32,690 --> 00:57:29,460
we're dealing with an enigma which is

1264
00:57:34,730 --> 00:57:32,700
many branches you know and um and

1265
00:57:37,250 --> 00:57:34,740
there's several races and a hundred

1266
00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:37,260
races visiting a planet and mixing with

1267
00:57:42,890 --> 00:57:39,839
us she'd be in feared of these races

1268
00:57:44,329 --> 00:57:42,900
there is something going on is it uh are

1269
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:44,339
they looking at Planet Earth there's

1270
00:57:50,930 --> 00:57:48,000
something that they they may want to to

1271
00:57:52,730 --> 00:57:50,940
you know be at some time in the very

1272
00:57:54,589 --> 00:57:52,740
near future I would like to think that's

1273
00:57:56,990 --> 00:57:54,599
not the case

1274
00:57:59,390 --> 00:57:57,000
um what I can't Clearly say is that I'm

1275
00:58:01,069 --> 00:57:59,400
totally totally convinced the

1276
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:01,079
governments of this world and I've said

1277
00:58:06,290 --> 00:58:02,880
it before no more than they're letting

1278
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:06,300
on about this careful Menace than they

1279
00:58:09,710 --> 00:58:07,680
will do

1280
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:09,720
um you know they under the Freedom of

1281
00:58:14,809 --> 00:58:12,000
Information Act passed many years ago

1282
00:58:18,109 --> 00:58:14,819
initially in America the release of FBI

1283
00:58:21,410 --> 00:58:18,119
CIA and SAA fails clearly should that

1284
00:58:24,170 --> 00:58:21,420
they had this interest in ufology and

1285
00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:24,180
what Angus me is the the heavy heavy

1286
00:58:29,150 --> 00:58:26,280
heavy black joke paragraph paragraph

1287
00:58:31,309 --> 00:58:29,160
Plateau Plateau wow wait a minute you're

1288
00:58:33,950 --> 00:58:31,319
releasing to this to the public and yeah

1289
00:58:38,030 --> 00:58:33,960
it's all blacked out what's going on and

1290
00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:38,040
here in the UK we've been fed uh you

1291
00:58:43,130 --> 00:58:39,720
know case fails from the ministry of

1292
00:58:45,789 --> 00:58:43,140
Defense so people can either say that um

1293
00:58:50,750 --> 00:58:45,799
the slowly letting us know about it or

1294
00:58:52,609 --> 00:58:50,760
or they're in cahoots with the alien uh

1295
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:52,619
races and other ones you know we can

1296
00:58:55,549 --> 00:58:53,520
look at

1297
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:55,559
oh what's the name notes the names

1298
00:58:58,490 --> 00:58:56,880
escaped me

1299
00:59:02,089 --> 00:58:58,500
um where people have been taking to

1300
00:59:05,650 --> 00:59:02,099
underground bases and they've also seen

1301
00:59:09,230 --> 00:59:05,660
military personnel alongside the grace

1302
00:59:12,829 --> 00:59:09,240
and in fact even Gary and Collins said

1303
00:59:15,230 --> 00:59:12,839
that in a statement and um Gary the

1304
00:59:17,329 --> 00:59:15,240
members who has taken you know it was in

1305
00:59:21,770 --> 00:59:17,339
this underground base and it was very

1306
00:59:24,890 --> 00:59:21,780
jaggy rocks and sleep jaggy rocks and a

1307
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:24,900
way up about 100 feet up near there were

1308
00:59:29,870 --> 00:59:27,119
several of these small Grays just free

1309
00:59:32,690 --> 00:59:29,880
floating free floating in the air not

1310
00:59:34,190 --> 00:59:32,700
only ground but aware and it was like he

1311
00:59:37,549 --> 00:59:34,200
said Malcolm it was like I was

1312
00:59:39,710 --> 00:59:37,559
underwater in a in a beautiful you know

1313
00:59:42,890 --> 00:59:39,720
Spanish sea or on the Mediterranean

1314
00:59:45,410 --> 00:59:42,900
where you could crystal clear it felt

1315
00:59:48,230 --> 00:59:45,420
like I was in the water and they have

1316
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:48,240
these strange shapes coming towards me

1317
00:59:52,609 --> 00:59:50,160
coming up to my face and then just

1318
00:59:55,250 --> 00:59:52,619
floating away again

1319
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:55,260
um so that's as Justice

1320
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,599
just a lovely subject to be involved

1321
01:00:02,589 --> 00:59:59,280
with it so great

1322
01:00:06,770 --> 01:00:02,599
it's a scary possibility that that

1323
01:00:08,510 --> 01:00:06,780
theory it just it that's the type of

1324
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:08,520
thing that keeps me up at my night

1325
01:00:14,329 --> 01:00:11,280
because if there is some sort of

1326
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:14,339
collusion and it really makes you wonder

1327
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:17,040
because a lot of these cases you do see

1328
01:00:23,089 --> 01:00:20,160
government involvement you do see kind

1329
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:23,099
of a smoke screen of sorts and I mean

1330
01:00:28,270 --> 01:00:26,160
just recently FBI agents came down hard

1331
01:00:31,549 --> 01:00:28,280
on the operator of a popular website

1332
01:00:34,809 --> 01:00:31,559
devoted to All Things Area 51 and its

1333
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:34,819
programs known as dreamlandresort.com

1334
01:00:41,390 --> 01:00:37,440
more than a dozen agents served a no

1335
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,400
knock warrant on the home of jorg arnu

1336
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:43,440
who lives in Rachel Nevada

1337
01:00:48,289 --> 01:00:45,839
and they are said to have seized all the

1338
01:00:51,410 --> 01:00:48,299
computers the files the phones the

1339
01:00:53,569 --> 01:00:51,420
photos and at the same time another team

1340
01:00:56,210 --> 01:00:53,579
of a dozen or more agents which I'm sure

1341
01:00:58,490 --> 01:00:56,220
you've heard stormed into our news Las

1342
01:01:00,829 --> 01:00:58,500
Vegas home seizing All Digital devices

1343
01:01:04,549 --> 01:01:00,839
and files and even held his girlfriend

1344
01:01:06,170 --> 01:01:04,559
at gunpoint and they served warrants

1345
01:01:07,309 --> 01:01:06,180
um I guess it was a little over a week

1346
01:01:09,650 --> 01:01:07,319
ago now

1347
01:01:11,690 --> 01:01:09,660
still we do not know the reason for the

1348
01:01:14,510 --> 01:01:11,700
raid no one knows whether specific

1349
01:01:16,849 --> 01:01:14,520
images of the base posted online may

1350
01:01:19,490 --> 01:01:16,859
have initiated such a vigorous action by

1351
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:19,500
federal law enforcement but its actions

1352
01:01:28,010 --> 01:01:22,079
like these when you see the government

1353
01:01:30,829 --> 01:01:28,020
act in a very almost uh unbelievable way

1354
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:30,839
when it we're dealing with a theme that

1355
01:01:35,630 --> 01:01:33,119
is you know a segment of only a few of

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01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:35,640
the population are looking into when it

1357
01:01:41,630 --> 01:01:38,640
comes to UFOs aliens

1358
01:01:44,809 --> 01:01:41,640
and such for the government to be so

1359
01:01:46,609 --> 01:01:44,819
vigorous and so active and strong-armed

1360
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:46,619
and certain you get this with a lot of

1361
01:01:52,970 --> 01:01:49,440
the Men in Black scenarios where it

1362
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:52,980
seems almost like Overkill unless there

1363
01:01:57,490 --> 01:01:55,680
was something they knew that we didn't

1364
01:02:01,609 --> 01:01:57,500
know right

1365
01:02:04,849 --> 01:02:01,619
absolutely I totally agree I mean um but

1366
01:02:08,089 --> 01:02:04,859
the same token if we flip the coin over

1367
01:02:10,370 --> 01:02:08,099
um we have to be accept acceptable to

1368
01:02:12,049 --> 01:02:10,380
the fact that um maybe our own black

1369
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:12,059
budget technology that they don't want

1370
01:02:15,410 --> 01:02:13,680
us to know about

1371
01:02:18,349 --> 01:02:15,420
um you know as I've said before in your

1372
01:02:20,809 --> 01:02:18,359
program the stealth aircraft was flying

1373
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:20,819
in the American skies for many years

1374
01:02:25,250 --> 01:02:23,280
before the military machine put their

1375
01:02:28,670 --> 01:02:25,260
hands up and said it's ours and that

1376
01:02:31,450 --> 01:02:28,680
gave rise to many false the airports so

1377
01:02:33,950 --> 01:02:31,460
um certain it is Aero forums being

1378
01:02:36,589 --> 01:02:33,960
masquerading or in our skies maybe

1379
01:02:40,190 --> 01:02:36,599
around technology but I'm not saying

1380
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:40,200
that they all are and so these Reds

1381
01:02:43,609 --> 01:02:42,000
which are very extreme we have just

1382
01:02:46,730 --> 01:02:43,619
mentioned a few of them a few of them

1383
01:02:48,589 --> 01:02:46,740
there are very extreme and either it's

1384
01:02:51,049 --> 01:02:48,599
for a

1385
01:02:52,730 --> 01:02:51,059
stay away from because we're we're doing

1386
01:02:54,530 --> 01:02:52,740
this new technology we don't want this

1387
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:54,540
to fall into the hands of the Russians

1388
01:02:59,390 --> 01:02:57,359
uh technology is so Advanced now you

1389
01:03:02,870 --> 01:02:59,400
know the people listening to phone calls

1390
01:03:04,250 --> 01:03:02,880
radio shows Etc so a uh keep away from

1391
01:03:07,549 --> 01:03:04,260
that because it's their own technology

1392
01:03:09,950 --> 01:03:07,559
you're encroaching on your bike or B

1393
01:03:11,690 --> 01:03:09,960
yeah we do have secrets to hold there is

1394
01:03:13,730 --> 01:03:11,700
something we're back engineering certain

1395
01:03:16,370 --> 01:03:13,740
things we are in congrats with these

1396
01:03:18,829 --> 01:03:16,380
small Grays we can't let the world know

1397
01:03:20,329 --> 01:03:18,839
to what's going on it's just too big a

1398
01:03:21,650 --> 01:03:20,339
secular

1399
01:03:23,569 --> 01:03:21,660
um it's the same with the space program

1400
01:03:25,370 --> 01:03:23,579
and going to the Moon you know that

1401
01:03:27,410 --> 01:03:25,380
they're saying that we never went to the

1402
01:03:29,390 --> 01:03:27,420
moon if it was all manufactured there

1403
01:03:30,829 --> 01:03:29,400
was thousands of people involving NASA

1404
01:03:33,289 --> 01:03:30,839
at the time

1405
01:03:35,450 --> 01:03:33,299
um but that's another debit of course

1406
01:03:38,569 --> 01:03:35,460
um the UF would a bit as far as um

1407
01:03:42,109 --> 01:03:38,579
technology goes is who knows um whoever

1408
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:42,119
gets the best aircraft the best weapon

1409
01:03:48,589 --> 01:03:44,640
systems uh is clearly going to have a

1410
01:03:51,170 --> 01:03:48,599
big advantage to the other Warfare start

1411
01:03:52,670 --> 01:03:51,180
to progress in this terrible planet of

1412
01:03:56,030 --> 01:03:52,680
those

1413
01:03:58,430 --> 01:03:56,040
so true so true I'm I'm just mesmerized

1414
01:04:00,589 --> 01:03:58,440
it it's such a I mean you can talk for

1415
01:04:03,770 --> 01:04:00,599
hours and hours about it and your book

1416
01:04:05,450 --> 01:04:03,780
the a70 UFO incident goes into so much

1417
01:04:08,030 --> 01:04:05,460
more that we weren't able to discuss

1418
01:04:11,150 --> 01:04:08,040
about Scotland's first officially

1419
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:11,160
reported UFO Abduction Malcolm can you

1420
01:04:15,530 --> 01:04:13,200
tell our listeners where the best place

1421
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:15,540
to purchase the book is and how you

1422
01:04:18,910 --> 01:04:16,799
recommend them

1423
01:04:21,650 --> 01:04:18,920
um getting it

1424
01:04:22,750 --> 01:04:21,660
yeah and you can purchase a book on

1425
01:04:26,270 --> 01:04:22,760
Amazon

1426
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:26,280
amazon.com in America or I believe it

1427
01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:29,760
may be on lulu.com I think but certainly

1428
01:04:33,890 --> 01:04:32,400
Amazon for sure and

1429
01:04:36,770 --> 01:04:33,900
um also

1430
01:04:38,569 --> 01:04:36,780
so I always advise people I always

1431
01:04:41,089 --> 01:04:38,579
advise people to get the book and not

1432
01:04:43,010 --> 01:04:41,099
Kindle add an offer them nothing better

1433
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:43,020
to lying in bed or on a chair just

1434
01:04:47,089 --> 01:04:44,640
having that in your hand rather than

1435
01:04:49,849 --> 01:04:47,099
flick flick flick but that's that's me

1436
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:49,859
as an author and

1437
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:52,319
um yeah I mean clearly that's that's

1438
01:04:58,370 --> 01:04:55,200
where to get it yeah I agree as well on

1439
01:05:00,170 --> 01:04:58,380
the physical form of the book because I

1440
01:05:03,109 --> 01:05:00,180
feel as if there's just a better

1441
01:05:05,630 --> 01:05:03,119
connection and no matter what happens to

1442
01:05:09,049 --> 01:05:05,640
your devices or the internet or anything

1443
01:05:11,510 --> 01:05:09,059
that are uncertain untangible things

1444
01:05:14,930 --> 01:05:11,520
that we rely on having that tangible

1445
01:05:17,150 --> 01:05:14,940
form of the book is so much better and

1446
01:05:19,549 --> 01:05:17,160
it's it's you can always go back to it

1447
01:05:22,010 --> 01:05:19,559
you can put it in your shelf go back to

1448
01:05:25,130 --> 01:05:22,020
it gosh I always love coming and

1449
01:05:27,230 --> 01:05:25,140
speaking with you Malcolm um oh I even

1450
01:05:30,530 --> 01:05:27,240
though an ocean separates us someday I

1451
01:05:32,270 --> 01:05:30,540
plan on ongoing to Scotland I I I'm a

1452
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:32,280
fly fisherman and I've always dreamed of

1453
01:05:35,630 --> 01:05:34,559
fishing on the river spay there where it

1454
01:05:37,730 --> 01:05:35,640
all started

1455
01:05:39,410 --> 01:05:37,740
yeah I can't thank you enough for for

1456
01:05:42,170 --> 01:05:39,420
coming on you live in an amazing place

1457
01:05:45,890 --> 01:05:42,180
and you've done so much to delve into

1458
01:05:49,130 --> 01:05:45,900
these wild scenarios where people have

1459
01:05:50,750 --> 01:05:49,140
been contacted by these entities so

1460
01:05:54,289 --> 01:05:50,760
thank you for everything you do and

1461
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:56,270
yeah Ryan and I must thank you for

1462
01:06:00,289 --> 01:05:57,839
allowing me to once more come on your

1463
01:06:01,730 --> 01:06:00,299
show and and talk to your good self and

1464
01:06:04,849 --> 01:06:01,740
your lovely listeners about these

1465
01:06:07,069 --> 01:06:04,859
bizarre and amazing Mysteries and and uh

1466
01:06:09,710 --> 01:06:07,079
longmeat continue I wish you well sir

1467
01:06:13,069 --> 01:06:09,720
and good luck in all your projects

1468
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:13,079
man I love talking to Malcolm 45 years

1469
01:06:20,030 --> 01:06:17,520
of extensive research into what is

1470
01:06:21,530 --> 01:06:20,040
happening with a lot of these people's

1471
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:21,540
recollections

1472
01:06:28,490 --> 01:06:24,720
we're talking about similarities within

1473
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:28,500
abduction cases and Malcolm does not

1474
01:06:36,109 --> 01:06:33,359
limit himself to uaps and UFOs no his

1475
01:06:38,270 --> 01:06:36,119
research goes into everything uh that's

1476
01:06:40,809 --> 01:06:38,280
why he's one of my favorite guests

1477
01:06:43,490 --> 01:06:40,819
he's not scared to attack the

1478
01:06:47,930 --> 01:06:43,500
cryptozoological Enigma with Loch Ness

1479
01:06:51,770 --> 01:06:47,940
he's not scared to go into the Enigma of

1480
01:06:54,650 --> 01:06:51,780
ghosts and poltergeists he's very uh

1481
01:06:56,870 --> 01:06:54,660
open-minded and not limited to what he

1482
01:07:00,650 --> 01:06:56,880
studies and

1483
01:07:02,049 --> 01:07:00,660
this case is just so well documented in

1484
01:07:04,849 --> 01:07:02,059
this book I highly recommend the book

1485
01:07:07,069 --> 01:07:04,859
and I still can't get over the fact that

1486
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:07,079
these guys saw a silver shimmering

1487
01:07:12,529 --> 01:07:09,839
curtain of mist that really stuck in my

1488
01:07:14,089 --> 01:07:12,539
mind what a great description coming

1489
01:07:16,609 --> 01:07:14,099
over their car before it goes into

1490
01:07:20,390 --> 01:07:16,619
complete blackness

1491
01:07:24,049 --> 01:07:20,400
wild definitely pick up the book the a70

1492
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:24,059
UFO incident Scotland's first officially

1493
01:07:29,930 --> 01:07:27,359
reported UFO Abduction and definitely

1494
01:07:33,710 --> 01:07:29,940
support Malcolm Robinson in all of his

1495
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:33,720
Affairs and efforts also if you have not

1496
01:07:39,950 --> 01:07:37,440
become a subscriber to Hero paranormal

1497
01:07:43,970 --> 01:07:39,960
on patreon I definitely recommend it

1498
01:07:46,190 --> 01:07:43,980
it's what keeps the podcast coming and

1499
01:07:49,250 --> 01:07:46,200
there is a ton of content behind the

1500
01:07:51,950 --> 01:07:49,260
paywall until next time keep your eyes

1501
01:07:54,770 --> 01:07:51,960
to the skies feet on the ground but

1502
01:08:01,870 --> 01:07:54,780
don't forget to take a look around